And it's worth not to wait !
Haven't watched in its entirety but unfortunately the Tenkasu Trio seems to be missing. Guess I have to wait till the BluRay arrives...

asan said:

Thanks. It has a Momokaoshi who couldn't believe her eyes.

Hahaha. Yes, I noticed her too. I think this evening made her year. At least :)

UST(Momoka)
http://www.ustream.tv/channel/momoclotv

hibachifinal said:

I wanna talk something 'serious' a bit.

I'm disheartened to see some "idol fans" ropped momoclo recently... many cite the reason being the shift of image and music change to being more "high concept"

what are you thoughts on these? do you think there was a change in the fanbase since.. gounn? or maybe 5thD?

Personally, I don't have any problem with Momoclo's change in image and music. I've said this since 5th Dimension out, like it or not, the girls grow, most of the girls are on the end of their teen, they can't release Kaitou Shoujo or Pinky Jones forever. IMO, this is their biggest challenge, especially for female idols, how to grow without losing their fanbase, of course it will shift, some old fans will leave them, and they'll get new fans. Past groups, will either disbanded, or regenerate. It's interesting for me to see how Momoclo will go.

I my self, never expect Battle and Romance 2, Battle and Romance 3, etc. If I wanna hear another crazy Hyadain song, I'll just listen to Takoyaki Raibow's Naniwa no Haniwa and I can still enjoy Momoclo's evolution.

Let's hear others opinion :)

I grow weary of all the pining for Hyadain. I like him, but I feel that his music has grown rather stale. Before 5D even came out I was already hoping they wouldn't rely too heavily on him in the future, and I've been extremely happy with their music after Momokuro Tei Ichimon. I also think Hyadain gets way too much credit for their sound. Kaitou Shoujo is iconic because it's their theme song and it features the ebizori jump, but musically they've done better. Pinky Jones was their very next single. It was the first song I ever heard by them and it grabbed me instantly, and this of course is Narasaki. I like it better than most Hyadain songs. Mugen no Ai is a masterpiece of course, but Mirai Bowl had a lot of cooks; Z Densetsu is another introduction song; Coco Natsu, Santa-san, and Momoclo no Nippon Banzai are fun live but otherwise overrated; Wani to Shampoo and Nippon Egao Hyakkei are great. But when I think iconic, I think Hashire, Kaitou Shoujo, Pinky Jones, Chai Maxx, Roudou Sanka, Mugen no Ai, Otome Sensou, Saraba. There has always been much more to Momokuro than Hyadain.

Edit: And DNA Rhapsody of course

I see chatter about Momokuro not being as good live anymore and this is nonsense. They can certainly stumble during TV appearances, and I think this may be because they don't have time to warm up. On Music Station, for instance, one minute they're being interviewed and the next they are performing. The main difference in their live shows is they are doing 4 hour stadium shows instead of 2 hour theater/arena shows. That means more ballads and a lot more ground to cover to get close to fans. I've been to literally hundreds of concerts in my life, and you can never replicate the intimacy of a small venue in a giant stadium. Having said that, I was at Peach for the Stars last year and it was one of the best concerts I have ever seen.

It seems that a lot of idol fans are more interested in cute girls being cute than in the music. I've seen hardcore AKB fans complain about boring live shows, stale songs, performer line-ups for the next single, etc., with all the excitement seemingly reserved for photo books and elections and such. I understand how all this can be appealing but it has little to do with music. So if idol fans are complaining, let them, because if Momokuro is going to achieve their goals, they are going to have to leave many of them behind.

^
If I remember correctly, they performed GOUNN on Music Station Super Live and Kouhaku Uta Gassen :)

I just know Oh My Ghost and Ebichu Isshuukan are actually made for Momoclo, those songs are so Ebichu. Even Ebichu's new songs aren't made by Hyadain anymore, except I'm Your Manager.

Good points well made! I think also that the term 'idol fans' doesn't just refer to momoclo fans and the kind of people who might be having these complaints aren't necessarily dedicated momoclo fans in the same way many fans are. I think all the excellent points you guys made are probably agreed upon by most fans like us who support momoclo for what they are, what they have been and what they are going to be.

Just remember, it's all about the music! :)>- ...and the choreography... and the costumes... and the outfits... and the girls! ......But definitely NOT about the elections! :-q

momomofu said:

But, the Japanese famous singers write their recent songs.
I know that it isn't everything, but I think that the idea is wrong.

･Saraba - Hotei
･Itsuka Kimiga - miwa
･Naichaisou - Hirose
･Hagane no Ishi - Takamisawa
･Naitemo Iindayo - Nakajima

It's hard to tell how significant of a trend this is. Itsuka kimi ga was a B-side and miwa had a long association with them. The Hirose and Takamisawa songs were for the Momokuri CD – unless you are a hardcore fan you probably don't know the CD exists. They had performed with both of them in the past. Nakajima's song will only be the second single since 5D, and GOUNN was written by Shihori, who was pretty much unknown (like hibachifinal, I am a big fan of the song).

momomofu said:

Do you remember the song which they performed in those events?
Most of those are "Hashire", "Rodo", "Mugen no Ai" and "Saraba".

Kasou Dystopia was used as Mezamashi's theme song and they introduced it live. Unless you're a Momokuro fan, you might know Ikuze! and Saraba and that's about it. Fans might say, "Why that song again?" but there are a lot of people hearing them for the first time.

^
To elaborate, miwa, Hirose Kohmi, Takamisawa, and Kousestu Minami all performed with Momokuro and all were involved in subsequent releases. Think of them more as Momokuro alumni. I think momomofu was hinting that Momokuro may be trying to reach a broader audience by seeking out famous people. There is certainly some of that at work, but the Momokuri CD would have no impact on that.

Momokuro switches gears a lot and trends aren't necessarily what they appear. When the Neo-Stargate and BIRTH Ø BIRTH videos dropped we thought dubstep signified something more than it did. Ian Parton, Marty Friedman, and OK Go are all Western music figures but what significant trend does it point to? Overall I see: they like famous guitarists, they like folk music and veteran pop stars and indie rockers, they like the occasional Westerner, they like sitar more than your typical pop group. In the end it all adds up to Momokuro.

MrAchiKochi said:

It's hard to tell how significant of a trend this is. Itsuka kimi ga was a B-side and miwa had a long association with them. The Hirose and Takamisawa songs were for the Momokuri CD – unless you are a hardcore fan you probably don't know the CD exists. They had performed with both of them in the past. Nakajima's song will only be the second single since 5D, and GOUNN was written by Shihori, who was pretty much unknown (like hibachifinal, I am a big fan of the song).

･Saraba - Hotei
･Itsuka Kimiga - miwa
･Naichaisou - Hirose
･Hagane no Ishi - Takamisawa
･Naitemo Iindayo - Nakajima


I have no intention to criticize them and songs.
I gave you two examples.(EbiChu's songs)

eyeless said:

I just know Oh My Ghost and Ebichu Isshuukan are actually made for Momoclo, those songs are so Ebichu.

I also think that those songs are so EbiChu.
kwkm and others can assert a opinion to them if star singers wrote those songs?
B-side song and Momokuri CD?
Yes. Probably, they will use star singers, and will continue such a tendency in future.
Momoclo had possibility of singing those EbiChu's songs in concerts.
I fear that it becomes a risky gamble.
Therefore I think that they should hold competition impartially.

MrAchiKochi said:

Kasou Dystopia was used as Mezamashi's theme song

Yes.
However, kwkm and others chose the theme song?
No, Fuji TV chose it in competition.
kwkm and others chose setlist, and edit concert and event videos to televise.
Therefore Mezamashi's theme song and their setlist don't have a similar meaning.

MrAchiKochi said:

"Why that song again?" but there are a lot of people hearing them for the first time.

We agree on that point.

momomofu said:

The audiences of these events are not necessarily Momoclo's fans.

It is because "there are a lot of people hearing them for the first time" and "The audiences" have a similar meaning.

For example, why did he choose not GOUUN but Hashire at Nama Sada?
It is because there are a lot of people hearing them for the first time.
kwkm and others understand the songs satisfying the viewers, so chose Hashire.
It may be an extreme example.

Momoclo forbade use of psyllium in the 5D Tour.
They succeeded in showing the audiences their new style.
Why don't they continue and show their two-facedness of "Old" and "New" styles?
I think that their dependence level of an old style is high.
Because their many old songs are very good songs. I thought that would be the outcome.
I don't think that they can easily continue and show a new style.
But I want to see more their two-facedness of "Old" and "New" styles.
I just wanted to say that.



If this English sentence is wrong，I'm sorry.

not an easy topic I would say.
Well, I can only speak as one who knows Momokuro just since Aug. 2013, so when I came to getting to know them 5D and a lot of the new singles were already out.
Actually I kind of "accidentally" saw them live at GirlsFactory13, since I wasn't really interested in any Idol music at all and still aren't really appart from Momokuro. So, why did I get interested in the first place? I can tell you, it's the live performances together with the fans! After having watched nearly all concerts since then, do I think they have lost some of their magic? No, they haven't.
Sure they have changed, but I think mainly in adding variety to their setlists and shows. Also one big addition in the last year is "Downtown Momokuro Band"! It enables them to add new dynamic to the songs and enables the girls to evolve in the music.

Also I don't see anything wrong with having "stars" writing their songs, as long as they do feel like Momokuro. Like mentioned before, I didn't know them before most of the newer stuff, so I was unbiased, didn't know about their composers, didn't know anything about their history, didn't know what was old or new or whatever.... All I can say is that they always seemd to have, and still have a kind of magic going on. And that is, in my opinion, that they don't "feel" like acting, they feel like they are just themselves! They obviously enjoy what they do, and that's the important part which also the fans get :)